I was pleased to see mondyboy’s response on The Hysterical Hamster, especially because of the way he riffed off Mike’s post by cleverly casting his own reactions as being those of a 14-year-old, railing about all these old people barricading themselves inside the “best fanzine” Hugo category and refusing to let in the kids with their internets and their Facetweets or whatever they’re called. I do detect a smidge of conscious hyperbole in Ian’s rant, even if it’s not a practice in which we fanzine editors would ever indulge ourselves.
14? That’s generous. Most people, including my wife, my workmates, Kirstyn, Dave and Mitch during our podcasts and anyone else whose met me in real life, would struggle to put my emotional age above 6 or 8 on a good day.* So thank you Mark Plummer.
But seriously, his post is worth the read, making a number of well thought out points including the inherent difficult in trying to classify lots of different things as one thing for the sake of an award.
Fanzines, blogs and podcasts are all different things. They may have certain points of commonality but they’re not the same, something that’s supported by the way that we have different words for them. They’re much like that axiomatically unoriginal trio of apples, oranges and bananas. You can decide to lump them all in together and evaluate them on their commonality, although if you do and then announce that you are trying to identify the “best apple” then that might just possibly introduce a predisposition towards those contenders that are in fact apples, even if your small print makes it clear that for these purposes the definition of “apple” extends to encompass oranges, bananas and indeed bookends, pumice stone, and West Germany.
Should the fanzine Hugo be explicitly redefined to include blogs? Or supplemented with a category for best blog? Or replaced with a category for best blog? Or best fannish pumice stone? Honestly, I don’t know.
The campaigns of 2009 and 2010 helped mobilize effective opposition and led to the rules change George R.R. Martin and others dislike. What if the fans supporting this trend had used their political capital to nominate the quality blogs they protest are being unjustly overlooked? Often it is wisest to start as you mean to go on. Had supporters of blog eligibility chosen to do so it would have been harder to characterize the results as a hack of the Hugo Awards that demanded a rules fix.
I couldn’t agree with this more. If the fanzine has become obsolete and the blog is King, then this should be reflected in what gets nominated on the ballot. And it’s not enough to say that the only people who nominate in the category is old fart fandom which is why some of the best blogs are forgotten. As Mike points out, with Starship Sofa and Electric Velocipede being nominated and winning this category in recent years there’s obviously a place for things other than the traditional fanzine if fans are motivated to nominate it.**
It’s too late this year, but if blogs don’t appear on this years ballot, then only we are to blame for not nominating those blogs that are worthy of the recognition.
OK, enough about all that. Time to move on.
*I do recall meeting Mark in real life, but I was on my best behavior.
** Yes, these nominations and wins also generate quite a bit wailing and tearing of clothes from those who think it’s an abomination for anything other than a traditional fanzine to be nominated. But, you know, change is hard.
There is a fundamental difference between a blog and a fanzine. It would take a lot less time and effort for me to produce one A4 (or less) page of personal commentary per week than it does to produce my zine. Having said that, I realise my zine is far bigger than most zines, but I’m blending interviews, reviews, a few articles, and I’m in the process of launching SFF related discussions – like gender parity issues, religion in SF and so forth. How do you compare this to a blog? Blogs are different animals.
I also object to being compared to a podcast: professional industry does not corral radio and newspapers/magazines into one category for the purpose of awards, so why should fan awards? In my opinion most podcasts would take a lot less time and effort to put together on an annual basis than I spend on my zine, and yet it is impossible for consumers to fairly compare the different media for quality and content as the media becomes the message.
What I really don’t understand is: why can’t we have one award for fanzines, one for podcasts and one for blogs? Please explain. This really seems like the simple and obvious answer. After all, TV programs aren’t being compared with movies when it comes to awards; separate categories have opened up with the advent of new technology…
While I accept there’s a fundamental difference, I’m not sure why effort should dictate what can and can’t fit into a category. For me it’s about the content and not how that content was put together. There are blogs out there (not mine) that mimic the same function as a fanzine in that over the course of a month they will feature reviews, opinions etc and not always by the main author of the blog.
Maybe you’re right, maybe there should be different categories reflecting the different forms. And maybe this is what will happen if blogs start to appear frequently in the best fanzine category. For the moment though I wouldn’t worry. You need people to nominate those blogs before that happens.
I can see where you are coming from Nalini and your point – why can’t there be both categories has some merit
That being said blogging is far too diverse to pin down to just personal posting, nor is it necessarily easier content wise( though having edited a journal the formatting is), it does tend to cross over into similar territory as some fanzine work.
A fan blog could be a post all about one fan’s interaction with the genre, pretty personal or it could be similar to mine, which if we look over a 2 month period would contain 4-6 essays or long articles, 14 reviews all by me, a book competition/giveaway, an audio interview published through galactic chat + link posts and spruking of other community projects.
If we were to talk about the Ditmars ( the discussion above is about the Hugos i think) I don’t think I am eligible for the Fan Production section for my blog even though looking at the publication entries I know that I produce similar content of similar quality and in greater quantity. But I can fit in other categories.
Part of the grouping of the awards looks like it’s to provide a competitive field, there would have been a handful of podcasts to begin with not worth their own award. Perhaps there’s an argument for multi author blogs that cover similar material as fanzines to be grouped together with fanzines and podcasts to get their own section?
Single blogs to be covered under fan writer, along with the person that has the occasional essay published.
I wonder whether you’re not looking at it the wrong way.
I see a lot of discussion about the creators, and very little about the audience. It seems to me that if the audiences for blogs, podcasts and zines are fundamentally different, what you’re setting up by including all three in the one award is an eternal genre war.
Every time one wins over the other two, the fans of the other genres (as opposed to fans of the individual losing entries) are going to be pissed off and unhappy about the award itself – which is a recipe for eternal wank.
If, one the other hand, the three genres have a majority crossover audience – ie, the majority of people likely to vote consume all three – then it’s doable. Regardless of individual views, the general merit of the winner should be (at least somewhat) apparent to most voters.
I suspect that’s not the case, though, judging by the frequency this argument happens across the worldwide spec fic community.
I suspect the audience for blogs and podcasts, at least to large degree, crosses over, and zines sit largely separately.
You might be right. I just hate awards cluttered with a category for every fan niche